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周汝昌:曹雪芹是沈阳人

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发表于 2007-2-11 19:10:00 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
&nbsp;曹雪芹到底是哪里人?这是个红学界争辩多年的话题,其中,曹雪芹身世的“辽阳说”得到了大多数人的认可。那么,“辽阳说”是谁先提出来的呢?周汝昌的回答让人惊讶:“告诉你,最先提出这个说法的不是别人,正是我周汝昌。我在1953年时就曾写过一篇文章叫《红楼梦纷争》,在全国最先提出‘辽阳说’,后来被广泛传播,现在仍得到普遍认可。” <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;讲到这里,周汝昌示意女儿启动了录音笔,可见他接着要讲的话很重要,而且是十分负责任的:“提出‘辽阳说’的时候,我还年轻,对辽东的地理知识了解得太浅薄。我还不知道,古代的‘辽阳’原来可以代表整个辽东地区。一直到我读了一本清代的讲《诗经》的书,里面有一张木刻图,上面称‘辽宁省’为‘辽阳省’,这时我才知道自己弄错了,我才知道,原来那时的‘辽阳’是指一个广泛的大地区。” </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;周汝昌说:“关于曹雪芹是沈阳人的证据,我只说其中最权威、最确凿无误的一个:乾隆元年至九年,皇家出了一本《八旗满洲氏族通谱》,这部通谱里详细记载了满洲旗姓氏家族的情况。我们需要特别注意的是,在提到曹雪芹的家族时,通谱里写下了这样六个字:‘世居沈阳地方’。我们来慢慢咀嚼这六个字:首先是‘世居’,这代表曹家不是临时在沈阳居住,而是世代都住在这里;再说‘沈阳’,当时的沈阳是个‘卫’,所以又称‘沈阳卫’,是个军事驻守要点;最后说‘地方’,这是指属于沈阳的一切地方。这样我们就可以弄明白,曹家是世代居住在以‘沈阳卫’为中心的所属一切地方。为什么说单凭这一句话就可以认定曹雪芹是沈阳人呢?因为这部《八旗满洲氏族通谱》是乾隆时期的皇家档案,具有绝对的权威性,绝无错误,比其他任何证据都有效。” </p><p>&nbsp;周汝昌接着说:“这个问题,今天必须澄清,不能再错下去了,得赶紧改正,今天的人们必须知道真相。对于我从前的错误,请大家不要嘲笑我,因为那个时候我才大学二年级。年轻人犯错误,是可以原谅的,对吗?(微笑地问向记者)而且就这个问题,我已经向世人道过歉了,今天就借助你们《沈阳日报》再道一次歉吧!今天我所说的话,决不是我一时的意气用事,而是我经过多年的考察和考证得出的结论。(着重地说)从我们中华文化的历史高度来看,曹雪芹这样一个伟大的文学家,他到底出自哪里,这是个大问题,是不能乱证的。今天我讲这些话,决不是在跟哪个城市争,而是一个纯学术的论证,学术以外的话我是不说的。我不是沈阳人,在沈阳我从前甚至连半个朋友都没有,只是在今天才结识了你这个‘小朋友’。所以我的目的只是为了学术、为了真理。” </p>
 楼主| 发表于 2007-2-11 19:12:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt;"><font size="3"><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">2006</font></span><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">年</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">12</font></span><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">月</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">14</font></span><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">日</span><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">《沈阳日报》一文《周汝昌说:曹雪芹是沈阳人》。此文发表后引起了红学界的地震和社会的广泛关注。笔者也很赞同“沈阳说”。现将理由阐述如下:</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt;"><font size="3"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">一</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">《五庆堂重修辽东曹氏宗谱》:</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">“</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">(入辽始祖曹)俊,以功授指挥使,封怀远将军,克复辽东,调金州守御,继又调沈阳中卫,遂世家焉。历代承袭,以边功进爵为指挥使,世职者又三、四人,子孙蕃盛,在沈阳者千有余人,号为巨族,而金州、海州、盖州、辽阳、广宁、宁远,俱有分住者,其以文武功名显耀元宗,不可胜纪。</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">内文又记载:</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">“</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">曹俊</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">……</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">世袭指挥使,封怀远将军,守御金州,后调沈阳,即入辽之始祖。生五子,长升,次仁,三礼,四智,五信。</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">“遂世家焉,历代承袭”笔者认为这八个字是曹雪芹祖籍考证的最为关键的字眼。以此八字可初步断定祖籍“沈阳说”的可靠性。</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt;"><font size="3"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">二</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">明朝成化二十三年《重修沈阳长安禅寺碑》的碑文正文中载有:</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">“</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">天顺二年(</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">1458</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">)住持僧深潭募缘修造,得都指挥鲁全、田进,指挥曹辅皆出金帛,善士张道诚协力以助之,遂建天王殿及外山门,并廊庑十余楹,乃焕然成一大兰苦矣。</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">《重修沈阳长安禅寺碑》碑阴载有《碑阴记》及题名:</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">“……</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">沈阳中卫指挥曹铭、王玺、张华、杨洪、李凯、郝洪、方镇、费锦、脑玉、孟辅、薛英、郑玺、崔灏。训导何玺。</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">”</font></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt;"><font size="3"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">碑中所提曹辅、曹铭都是曹雪芹之上世族祖,是曹俊的后人。这也是研究曹雪芹祖籍在沈阳的重要佐证。而我认为这个现存在沈阳北塔法轮寺的碑刻要比辽阳的碑刻重要的多。从碑刻来看曹辅、曹铭这两个人都在担任沈阳中卫指挥使,而这可证明从曹俊始,曹家一直在世袭沈阳中卫指挥使,也由此看出曹家一直世居沈阳。确是铁证如山。</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt;"><font size="3"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">三</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span>
                        <span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">《八旗满洲氏族通谱》:“曹锡远,正白旗包衣人,世居沈阳地方,来归年份无考。”(《八旗满洲氏族通谱》卷七十四《附载满洲旗分内之尼堪姓氏》)(注:曹锡远位列曹雪芹五世祖。)这是周汝昌先生在接受《沈阳日报》记者采访时用过的来自清代乾隆年间官修的最有说服力一条史料《八旗满洲氏族通谱》。《八旗满洲氏族通谱》是由清代弘昼、鄂尔泰、福敏、徐元梦等奉清高宗弘历之赦编纂,始于雍正十三年(</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">1735</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">),竣于乾隆九年(</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><font face="Times New Roman">1744</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">),书中辑录了除清代皇室爱新觉罗氏以外的满洲姓氏,记其归顺爱新觉罗氏的时间、原籍何地、官阶及勋绩情况可以说是研究清初历史最权威的档案了。</span></font></p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">让我们来细细咀嚼一下这</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">21</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">个字。曹锡远又名曹世选,他是曹雪芹的五世祖,原名宝,字世选,明末沈阳中卫最后一任指挥使。后金天命六年(</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">1621</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,明天启元年)三月,沈阳为努尔哈赤攻破,曹锡远及其子振彦应系于此时被俘并投降了后金。当时努尔哈赤对降金汉官采取怀柔政策,使额驸佟养性总理汉人军民事务,曹锡远和曹振彦父子归顺后即属佟养性管理。“正白旗包衣人”满语奴隶是为</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">包衣</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,意思是</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">家里的人</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,社会地位是很低下。顺便交代一句曹寅死后,曹颐在奏折中说的</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">“</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">奴才包衣下贱,自问何人,敢擅具折奏</span><span lang="EN-US" xmllang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">”</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">《关于江宁织造曹家档案史料》由此也可见曹锡远和曹振彦父子的地位。“世居沈阳地方”这句话最为重要,也最具争议。但依我来看沈阳地方或许指的范围很大,但世居两个字就已把地点定位在了现在的沈阳(也叫沈阳老城区)。因为从曹俊开始曹家一直世袭沈阳中卫指挥使,到了曹锡远这代仍然是这样,这是符合“世居”二字。而作为沈阳中卫指挥使怎么可能把家安置在辽阳或铁岭呢?他的家眷必然安排在沈阳卫中心才对。而这就是现在沈阳的老城区,这是没有疑义的。曹锡远和曹振彦被清军掳掠后去攻打辽阳,然后在那生活了若干年,留下了一些遗迹这是有可能的。但不能因为在那生活了几年就将祖籍定在辽阳,这是常识性的问题。</span>
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